RNarcisism

I dislike Nine Inch Nails personally, but those lyrics are quite well done. That's actually quite an interesting take on solipsism

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Hanna

*nods* to each their own...I a Manson fan, but that's aye ok with me!

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giogio15

i want to tell you only one thing:

HUMANS ARE NOT MACHINES FROM THERE BORN, THEY BECOME MACHINES AFTER THERE BORN

RNarcisism

That's interesting. Considering it has nothing to do with the topic.

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Hanna

HAHA....giogio15, are you feeling ok?

Interesting....point...?..........

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"Photographer? I thought you were a Jazz-Poet?"
"I am! I span many genres. They call me the genre span-er"
"They call you the spanner"
Vince Noir and Howard Moon

Bananas

I've had those kind of experiences, where subconciously you're just doing your daily routine because the human body is so perplexed it just remembers it and you'll go off into a dream-like state where you have no idea what's going on, but you do. You'll be there physically and everything, but mentally, you're off in a whole other world. I've had my theories as well. Two of them, I just can't think of anything that would make them wrong, but I can't think of anything that would prove them right, either. For one, haven't you ever seen someone, a bum, for example, and just thought that they were an angel, sent down by God to see how the average person would interact with him? It's like some people can be real, but others are just people who've temporarily been put down here by God as an experiment...My other theory isn't so religious from my point of view. From people aren't Christian or don't have the same ideas and beliefs as me, you may not agree, but here it is. In the bible it explains how God created Earth, and doesn't really support how he created the world. As a whole, it (I haven't read it all, though) doesn't show evidence that anything but Earth exists. It doesn't support that there are other galexies besides the Milky Way, but we already know there are. Now, do we know what is in those galexies? No. What they contain? If this world has some sort of malevolent species we've not yet discovered? How that relates to this, we've never gone that far beyond our very own Solar System, no one has gone far enough the support the theory that our Solar System is the only...Heck, our world of so complex, we can't just be figments of our own imagination interacting, because with God giving imagination, or without God granting us anything, but let alone our imagination's existence, is powerful, and for this complex world, we are physically interacting with one another and creating mental bonds, we're able to reproduce and so on...It's confusing. But I mean, I know what you're saying, and I feel it a lot. Especially when I'm alone, with or without music, but whatever puts me in that state of mind and gives me the power to think beyond what I've learned, I don't know. But it does it, and heck, I've found a whole new view on life after having those experiences. All of your theories are great, too.

RNarcisism

Solipsism sanctions many circumventions to the perception of how a perception can be perceived without the perception of perceiving it. Your assertion that the dynamism of cognition and imagination is proof against this doesn't work out effectively. "Esse est percipi" may be justification enough at first glance, but it creates a new multitude of problems. What you are talking about, mental and physical interaction, is perception, not awareness. Perception is the faculty of cognitive workings, not the awareness itself. To borrow from existentialism, in its barest form, all consciousness is always a consciousness of something. This barest form, so far as it serves here, is perception.

You are, however, thinking of a combination of metaphysical and methodological solipsism, as you combine the physical and mental, abstraction and non, to say that interaction is the error. But, you seem to have come across a miscomprehension: Interaction can be done without cognitive awareness. And for cognitive awareness, we must have consciousness. Rather it be in a bare form of perception, or a full form of sentience.

You may have to look up a lot of technical terms, but I would like to know how you would argue against this.

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Bananas

I partially agree with you on that note. You can and cannot be aware of your actions, if you're not, you're acting subconciously. The reason for existence has been pondered for years and many have made the attempt to answer this question, for I, can only put forward my knowledge and opinions. Some make an entirely unsubstantiated claim we exist because of random occurrences and that there is no purpose to life, I, on the other hand, do not. I am religious, so therefore I believe in God and think he created us all and so on. I have had my own questions that prove against God, but everytime I've asked about them, I've been satisfied with the answers I've gotten. Until it is proven or I am persuaded otherwise, I will continue on with my belief. I need some kind of theistic view represent when and if I start losing my faith, though. I've shared some of these theories that I've built upon, but in one way or another they relate to a God. Many popular books and seminars will tell us to look within ourselves to discover why we exist. This self-centered philosophy, propagated by many New-age philosophers, neglects to account for the notion that we did not create ourselves. With this, people forget about science and are led to believe our imaginations can controll us. We can never be sure of what we are moving toward, but science still plays a part. I agree that people today do not look into our sciences and would like to find another spontaneous explination for existence, but that is not the case. Were that the case, we could not find the truth of our origins within ourselves, but you cannot solve the mystery of the existence of a synthetic object if you are not familiar with it; the object cannot tell you the purpose of its existence. Only the creator of the object can describe its creation. So why is it not like that with us? Of course, our decendants only know what science proves when it comes to replication, there has to be someone who started and knows it all, correct? This is where emphisize on God. Devices you can buy at the store usually come with a manual, or handbook, right? So, we as objects come with our own handbook, which is the Holy book. Different religions have different names for their Holy book, in the US, we use the term, Bible, most commonly. "For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him" (Colossians 1:16). This explains our origins, and to some extentthe reason for our origins. Fortunately, we have been told the nature of our Creator, to further help us answer why we exist. "Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love" (1 John 4. God is love. God is not subject to desires such as that for pleasure; His existence is beyond this. He did not create us for His own carnal desires; He created us for the proliferation or multiplication of love. It is for this reason that the commandments are summed up in two decrees: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength…Love your neighbor as yourself. There is no commandment greater than these" (Mark 12:30-31). God's commandments are merely a guide to how we should increase love - His love. "This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands" (1 John 5:2). If device manuals guide one toward the end, shouldn't the Bible and it's verses? The purpose of our life is to love God, and therefore to keep His commandments, because He created us for love. The question is have you accepted God's love for you? Will you accept His grace? His mercy? His ultimate sacrifice? The evidence of our acceptance, and the purpose of our very existence, is in our love for God and man. So, I would say that sums up why we exist if there is a God. Now, acting subconsiously could be in relation to God, in a way. If we are to follow the path of love, would subconciousness be the only way to make us do so without doing what we'd rather be doing?

Bananas

Many typos in there that wont let me edit, so that is supposed to be John 4:eight, as well as extent is supposed to have a space after it, and my concluding sentance should be, "Then again, I could be going about this all wrong..."

RNarcisism

Sorry I forgot to reply to this. I'll try to get around to it soon.

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iCHi_cORe

I have no idea, it's a very confusing question... Everything I think about that questions that almost impossible to find an answer, I feel very scared and sad, and I don't know why...

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RNarcisism

If people don't exist, who makes the razors you use to cut yourself?

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The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently.

- Friedrich Nietzsche

iCHi_cORe

What's up with the razor blade??? But anyway, I didn't say that people don't exist...

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RNarcisism

I was commenting on the end of your post. The "I feel very scared and sad, and I don't know why" has no relevance to the rest of your post. And it was, frankly, cretinous.

I know that.

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The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently.

- Friedrich Nietzsche