debs

i recently posted my views on religion in the "christian" thread and it seemed to cause a lot of controversy i wanna know what you think about your religion not what your told to think about it.
do you agree with it 100% or are you in doubt about anything? the belifs?the establishment?the clergy?

i myself was brought up catholic and went through 13 years of catholic school but i think that alot of the teachings of the church are absolute bullshit.
i do believe in god and i believe that he/she/it is good but the catholic church teaches that jesus christ is the one and only god and if you dont believe in him and him only then your condemned to burn in hell! a good god would not send a good person to hell just because they call god by a different name.i think that no matter what name you give god it is the same god. if only people who believe in jesus go to heaven then that would mean that he himself is in hell because he died a jew.

i also dont agree with the churches view on contraception it approves of natural methods so why not artificail?both are preventing life in the same way by not letting the male and female sex cell unite so whats the problem?

another thing i don't agree with is the churches views on homosexuals it is one of the churches main belifs tha "we are all children of god " and that "humam life is sacred" and that we should all be treated equally so by that logic shouldn't everybody be intitaled to fundamental human needs to express their love for each other in "holy matrimony"?

i don't see where abouts in the bible any of these things are!
i think that over the years the church has twisted the words of jesus and has become very corrupt!

i do not have a problem with god just the establishment of the church!

i want to know how you feel-people of all religeons wheather you agree or completly disagree i would value your opinion.

p.s. im sorry if i've offended anybody

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Dan

I don't believe in religion at all. I don't believe in the whole "God is in control of your life" theory. I don't believe in fate or destiny because I don't like the thought that I'm not in control of my life.

I've never been to church and I never will. If there is a God, surely He doesn't care whether I spend one day a week in some building with a load of other people saying prayers that I could be saying in the comfort of my own home. After all, isn't God everywhere? If there isn't a God then of course it doesn't matter.
I also think the church has changed from what it was supposed to be. Originally, it was a house of God and that was fine. Now, it's become a house of money just hiding behind the excuse of God. The church is one of the richest establishments in Britain, and while they're always banging on about helping our fellow man, I don't see them ever giving any of their vast amounts of cash to starving Ethiopians.

In short, I believe there is a supreme being. Someone that created the universe and then left everything else down to us. Whether or not that supreme being is a God or not remains to be seen.

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debs

i could't agree more i mean the cross the pope wears around his neck alone is worth millions how many starving people could that feed?

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This is part of the reason I'm not religious. I'm not a political person yet many faiths nowadays are based on politics. Even if I was a Catholic I would interpret the Bible in my own way and not get involved in the politics of the church.

I just try and live my life being a good person, whatever happens when we die I hope that if there is a God then he/she/it will see that I have tried to be a good person even though I'm not religious.

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woah - lots of issues there guys!!!

I'm a Christian - i totally believe in it! cos i have a relationship with God - sounds weird i kno but hey!!! its tru!!

I HATE church politics n stuff - it drives me crazy!!!

Christians generally tend 2 b idiots who give a bad impression of Jesus n mess everything up!!! we're human so i guess its bound 2 happen!!

Jesus was a Jew - u dont have 2 b a christian 2 go 2 heaven! basically Jesus died 4 us cos we mucked up n stuff - n he's sed i'll take the blame 4 everything u'v ever dun wrong - all u have 2 do is accept that!!! heaven is eternity with God n basically we have the choice 2 spend eternity with god or without him - he simply honours that decision! cos he loves us n doesnt want us 2 have 2 spend forever with him if we dont want 2!

Stuff bout contraception is Catholic not biblical (basically i dunno where they got it from n i dont agree with it!)

Homosexuality - big issue for the church - basically in the bible it does say that it is wrong! my view is that God created us n he knows whats best 4 us - but that definatly does not mean that sum1 who is homosexual is anything less than any1 else - thats just wrong!! its no worse than anything else that cud b considered as wrong by the Bible n God still loves people who are homosexual! so so shud we!

God is everywhere! the idea of having 'Church' on a sunday isn't from the bible!! It does say in the bible that its good to meet up with other chistians n stuff n that God can do more stuff that way!

Poverty - alot of Christians do charitable stuff! many charities were founded by christians (so were skools and hospitals n stuff like that!) and many christians give up their 'good western lifes' to go and help people in other poorer countries! and yes - the pope is rich and yes he shud give more money 2 poor people and stuff!

anyway thats my spin on things!! not tryin 2 offend anyone just sayin wat i believe (n tryin 2 explain stuff u'v been chattin bout from a different view i guess!)

debs

i do agree whole heartedly with that but other religions do lots of charitable stuff too.

i believe completely in god and i believe that he died to save us but i also believe that god is good and that a good god wouldnt send someone to hell cos they call him by a different name.

i believe that no matter how you worship god or what name you do it under or even if you dont believe at all that if you are a good person and help others that you will go to heaven. i mean god i believe that god IS kindness and he IS compassion so i dont see how the bible can say that youll be eternally damned if you dont believe in jesus as the one and only god

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Ali

Ur right Debs, God is those things n people wont go to hell if they follow Gods rules without ever hearing the message of Jesus. People who live good lives dont get thrown away without a chance, but unfortunately if u dont believe in Jesus when u r told, the bible says thats what u need. Jesus said "the only way to the Father is through me".

There are a lot of bad examples of christians in the church...(how many people are in the church?). Nobody is very good at it to tell u the truth, but its not the "doing" that God wants. Its the "trying". Its like a teacher. They'll always ask you to just do ur best, because thats all u can do. Some people hav got it wrong .... well actually everybody has got it wrong n people need to do more, but all we can do is try our best in the life we've been given.

Just also wanted to say i'm sorry if offended anyone too, i wasnt trying to sound really annoyed or offended or anything, i was just trying to put an opinion across! So yeah, very sorry if anyone thought i was getting funny bout stuf! I love you really!

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Im a hindu and in the religion there are many gods but they are all just a part of 1 god. I think its that belief that helps me accept other religions so easily. My friends are really confused at how i go to the temple and pray but then come with them inside the mosque or church and say a prayer there also. They usually just wait until i come out.

There are only small things that i dont particularly agree with and those include alcohol consumption and having to attend at least once a week and small issues like that. Any place can be a praying place, so i pray at home - the temple is bout 1hour away. Alcohol if not too much is drank is perfectly fine infact some can help your life.

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debs

i know that jjesussaid that,but what i'm saying is what if jesus and budda and yaweh and whoever else are the same person and its not meant to be taken as that literal of a translation but just a metaphor saying that believing in god(any god/any higher being/)and you will go to heaven .
i believe that people who don't believe in any god provided they're good people will still go to heaven. i don't think that people will be condemned because of their belifs....and a good person is going to be condemned because they don't believe in god then i would staart to doubt wheather there really is a god or not and if there is he can hardly be considered a good god. can he?

ok again not tryin to offend anybody but thats the way i feel

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i am sickened to see people are treated so violently for who thy are or what religion thy are. i am ashamed you shuld all be ashamed tut tut

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I am Buddhist. I believe that 2500 years ago, a man by the name of Siddhartha Gautama achieved, through years of failure, the ultimate peace of Nibbana.

For the god question, I do not believe in any omnipotent gods. I believe that there are beings in this universe that are immensely powerful and would call themselves gods but are still mortal like us.

Heaven and hell are ways of describing experiences that one may have when reborn. Traditional Buddhist sources say that there are 32 realms each at their own level of pleasure/pain. Humans are in the middle with animals below them. I do not believe in this model. I believe that to be born in a "hell" you do not need to be born in a different world, there are many people in this world that experience incredible pain and suffering.

I believe that it is the duty of every person to strive for perfection in the Middle Way. Asceticism and hedonism are just as bad as each other because they don't address the root cause of suffering in the world. The fact that being born as any manner of creature is suffering. The fact is that no matter how much pleasure and happiness we gain in this life we haven't achieved anything because the situation will eventually change and we will go back to suffering.

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