pinkpunk

Feel free to ask me any questions about islam and I will try to answer them for you.

WP1

well i guess now i'm not the only muslim here.

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steff7488

yeah me too

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I dont need ur attitude............Ive got my own

steff7488

oops wrong thread lol

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WP1

or is it?....mm....mm...mmm......

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steff7488

ummm k?? why would i lie bout it lol

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WP1

sorry Steff7488 i did meent it like that...

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WP1

where did pinkpunk girl go?

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RNarcisism

Meh. I might as well. I'm bored, and it seems an atrocity to pass up the chance to attack theism. Even if the last response was a little less then a year ago.

Question 1: According to Surah 79:27-30:
As well, The Cow 2:29:
Now, the passages from Surah claim that Allah made the heavens before he created the earth. At the same time, The Cow passage claims that Allah created the heavens after creating the Earth. Both are stated by the infallible Allah. Therefore, neither can be a mistake. With that in mind, which passage is telling the truth?

Question 2: Let's say that, at this moment, I commit an atrocity to Allah. I then ask for forgiveness (and truly wish it). Well according to 4:110 something (the name alludes me):

However, according to Surah:

So which is it? Does Allah forgive?

Question 3: In Surah, there are passages of the Pharaoh speaking. One of them is:
He mentions crucifixion. However, at this time, crucifixion was a punishment only commited in Rome. It has not yet spread to other areas. How is it that, in Egypt, crucifixion was known?

Question 4: It is widely propogated that the Quran was written by Allah. However, the very beggining of the Quran is a prayer to Allah. As well:

These passages indicate that somebody other then Allah is speaking. So who wrote the Quran?

I'm done. I just needed to get some religion-criticism out.

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WP1

This is how it goes...Allah conveyed His message to the Archangel Gabriel, who conveyed the revealtion of the Qur'an to the Prophet (SAAS) and the revealtion was written down word by word by the writers as the Prophet (SAAS) revealed the Allah's message. No, there was no mistakes made in the revealtion of the Holy Qur`an. This revealtion happen through the 40 years (if im not mistaken). And if it sounds that it was written by someone other than Allah then that is incorrect and its you who think that. If you read the Holy Qur`an from the beginning to the end, everything will make sense and not one verse from one surah and other verse from another.


PS: if anyone have any more question please post, im happen to reply. if i made any mistakes please point it out. Thank you.

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RNarcisism

That doesn't quite answer my questions:

Question 1: According to Surah 79:27-30:

Quote:
Are ye the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built? He raised the height thereof and ordered it; And He made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morn thereof. And after that He spread the earth....

As well, The Cow 2:29:

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He it is Who created for you all that is in the earth. Then turned He to the heaven, and fashioned it as seven heavens. And He is knower of all things.

Now, the passages from Surah claim that Allah made the heavens before he created the earth. At the same time, The Cow passage claims that Allah created the heavens after creating the Earth. Both are stated by the infallible Allah. Therefore, neither can be a mistake. With that in mind, which passage is telling the truth?

Question 2: Let's say that, at this moment, I commit an atrocity to Allah. I then ask for forgiveness (and truly wish it). Well according to 4:110 something (the name alludes me):


Quote:
Yet whoso doeth evil or wrongeth his own soul, then seeketh pardon of Allah, will find Allah Forgiving, Merciful.
However, according to Surah:

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That is because they believed, then disbelieved, therefore their hearts are sealed so that they understand not.

So which is it? Does Allah forgive?


Question 3: In Surah, there are passages of the Pharaoh speaking. One of them is:

Quote:
Surely I shall have your hands and feet cut off upon alternate sides. Then I shall crucify you every one.

He mentions crucifixion. However, at this time, crucifixion was a punishment only commited in Rome. It has not yet spread to other areas. How is it that, in Egypt, crucifixion was known?

No. I didn't write the Quran. I've read it. It's me who thinks that because I've read it and seen it with my own eyes. Look at these, for example:

1:1 In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
1:2 Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds,
1:3 The Beneficent, the Merciful.
1:4 Master of the Day of Judgment,
1:5 Thee (alone) we worship; Thee (alone) we ask for help.
1:6 Show us the straight path,
1:7 The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray

These are all referring to Allah. Allah doesn't send prayers to himself anywhere in the Quran. The passages refer to Allah as "Thee" and mentions that the author worships Allah and asks Allah for help, asks Allah to show "us" (the author and fellow humans/Muslims) the straight path (Islam, obviously.), and speaks of going along with the path that Allah created for the author. clearly, the author of this passage cannot be Allah.

Therefor flee unto Allah; lo! I am a plain warner unto you from him.

There is not one of us but hath his known position. Lo! we, even we are they who set the ranks
The passage on top clearly mentions the author and Allah as two seperate individuals, while the bottom is talking about Allah and how it is impossible to fathom his "position".

I have, believe it or not. Just as I have the Old and New Testament. Just as I've read the Vedas and the doctrine of any other major religion. Despite that, I still spot countless flaws in it all. Reading the Quran front to back won't omit passages.

"...and the revealtion was written down word by word by the writers as the Prophet (SAAS) revealed the Allah's message...."
That is very much subject to scrutiny. Just with Christianity, there is no means to verify that the words of the prophet in question was recorded exactly as was originally intended.

Where did you learn that? Muhammad received his first revelation in 610 and died in 632-ish. There was very little revelation activity within that span anyway.

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WP1

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Are ye the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built? He raised the height thereof and ordered it; And He made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morn thereof. And after that He spread the earth....

This verse doesn't says the order of creation. it just first asks a rhetorical to humans, "Are ye the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built?". it goes on to how night and day was created and how it spread the earth, "And He made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morn thereof. And after that He spread the earth.... "


As well, The Cow 2:29:

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He it is Who created for you all that is in the earth. Then turned He to the heaven, and fashioned it as seven heavens. And He is knower of all things.


this quote aboves talks about the seven layer of heaven, however in this quote the word "heaven" may have another meaning - i.e. atmosphere (sky) and not the universe. however, this is not a certainty because of the multiverse theory.

So, to answer your first question both of the passages are telling the turth.


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Yet whoso doeth evil or wrongeth his own soul, then seeketh pardon of Allah, will find Allah Forgiving, Merciful.

first, the way you phrased your question is wrong - i.e. "atrocity to Allah". i take it, you mean commit mass murder - i.e. holocaust. first of all, Allah have said many times in the Holy Qur`an that He doesn't forgive Greater Crimes - i.e. killing, mass murder, etc. But because Allah is most merciful and forgiving and the final judgement is up to Allah on forgiving you or not.

your third questions, this point that you have made is not a valid point, what prove do you have that people wasn't crucified in Egypt?

here is a quote that i found on the internet which state that people was crucified in Egypt too.

"Crucifixion is an ancient method of execution, in which the victim was tied or nailed to a large wooden cross (Latin: crux) and left to hang there until dead. It was a common form of execution from the 6th century BC to the 4th century AD, especially among the Persians, Egyptians, Carthaginians, and Romans. Crucifixion has gained notoriety in Christianity as a method used by the Romans to put Jesus to death, and the cross has become the main Christian symbol."

1:1 In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
1:2 Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds,
1:3 The Beneficent, the Merciful.
1:4 Master of the Day of Judgment,
1:5 Thee (alone) we worship; Thee (alone) we ask for help.
1:6 Show us the straight path,
1:7 The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray


This is one of many prayer surahs and that is why its like that. This is Allah what people to recite when praying to Allah. PS: How to pray is in the Hadith and the Prophet (SAAS) showed how to pray. A person or a writer have can write themselves in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd person but it is still the same person who wrote it and not someone else. This may be the case here.

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"That is very much subject to scrutiny. Just with Christianity, there is no means to verify that the words of the prophet in question was recorded exactly as was originally intended."


will the Prophet SAAS did read the Qur`an over and over again to make sure that this didn't happened and he did this until his passing, so it is a matter of faith.


"Where did you learn that? Muhammad received his first revelation in 610 and died in 632-ish. There was very little revelation activity within that span anyway."

My mistake. it was over 20 years.

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RNarcisism

That would be reasonable, until you read the passages following it:

Are ye the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built ?
79:28 He raised the height thereof and ordered it;
79:29 And He made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morn thereof.
79:30 And after that He spread the earth,
79:31 And produced therefrom the water thereof and the pasture thereof,
79:32 And He made fast the hills,
79:33 A provision for you and for your cattle.

This would seem to imply a timeline, as the words used, and the context, does indeed resemble a chronological order.


As well, The Cow 2:29:

I realize that's what it's talking about. However, after it mentions that Allah created "all that is in the earth", it says "then". Thus, it seems that again that there is a chronological order to these events. This passage states that the earth came first. The one earlier indicates that the heavens came first.
Also, it is very unlikely that "heaven" has another meaning in this passage. If Allah wished to convey his message clearly, and avoid mistakes, he would not use a word, such as "heaven", if he wished it to be both concrete in some instances and sporadic in others. In order to avoid confusion, it is logical that "heaven", a word which labels one concept, would have only one meaning.
Lastly, I do not believe the multiverse theory fits in this passage. In other instances in the Quran, but not this passage.
Although it's not completely relevant, one of the verses following that one does mention the multiverse theory:

And when thy Lord said unto the angels: Lo! I am about to place a viceroy in the earth, they said: Wilt thou place therein one who will do harm therein and will shed blood, while we, we hymn Thy praise and sanctify Thee ? He said: Surely I know that which ye know not.


Yet whoso doeth evil or wrongeth his own soul, then seeketh pardon of Allah, will find Allah Forgiving, Merciful.