Metec

I believe in god but I didn't believe in aby relegion.

I study physics for 3 years , But still I didn't accept the "big bang" theory. Our world is to perfect to be random. It must be some god that create our world with order and rules.
To many times in my life I felt that somebody take care of me, this why I believe that god is excits

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hmm, i dunno about the big bang theory either...but i certainly don't believe "god" created everything.
i guess some people are lucky like that, i've never once felt like i've been taken care of by some random life force, or should i say, god.
and to tell the truth i'd hate it if he did exist because i've gone through so much and it only seems to get worse, i've had to deal with it all on my own..

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RNarcisism

Rather, our world is too random to be perfect. Not one single aspect of the world is immaculate. As such, the world and it's blemishes could not possibly aspire to perfection in any medium.
And the aspect that could, to a degree, be considered immaculate (the earth's location to the sun, the elements which provide life to be sustained) as well follow the formula of being too random to be perfect. The earth isn't the correct distance from the sun in order for it to sustain life. Earth is able to sustain life because it is the correct distance. When you take into account the trillions among trillions of galaxies other then our own, and the sheer amount of planets in them, pure chance makes it imperative that at least one of these planets will provide the correct and, in a sense, immaculate properties able to make life possible.

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daisymia12

yes, because i'm a CHRISTIAN. and i hope most of u r christians 2!!!!!!!!!!1

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Hanna

Sorry love, destined for disappointment...

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Jesus doesn't approve of noob-speak. Pray for forgiveness. And say a few hundred Hail Marys while you're at it.

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Evgeni

Josh, seriously step out of your house once in a while, go for a walk in the forest, look at the hills, the mountains, the animals. Do you call all that an accident? And if that was an accident how come they arent any other accidents that we know of? The world is perfect, its us that are destroying it. And its even worse that we do it thanks to all the technological and sientific knowledge we have.

And it was rather funny how a person who 100% believes The Holly Book and God doesnt excist says wat kind of speech Jesus approves.

Also, if people spent more time looking into thier religion...any religion.. whether its Christianity, Islam, Budism the world would be a much better place beacuse religion teaches to respect, religion teaches to care, religion teaches to share.

Another thing... "if God exists then why isnt the world perfect", God gives you the most important thing of all, LIFE from there on you are in the hands of your parents, relatives, friends or partners. God sees everything, and even though he/she dont respond straight away sooner or later there will be some sort of reaction.

I am going to agree fully with Metec about things happening, whether some sort of a miracle that saves your life or gives you a chance that you would have never hoped for. Ive been there myself, I fell through a glass door and didnt get a single scratch.

Not all answers science gives are right, not all things can be explained by theorys, and not all things are ment to be solved. The whole concept of studing how the big band, or "ice" babies, or geneticly modified vegs are a waste of time when they are people dieing of AIDs hunger and poverty.

The Holly Book teaches us to help those in need. Sadly in this world everyone only cares about themselfs. Rich people get richer, poor people get poorer. Inocent people because the impowerd people only care about money and oil.

ps. sorry for any bad spelling..today was my bday n im kinda drunk.

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RNarcisism

Of course it's not an accident. Such an idea of an overly pessimistic and purely asinine idea. The world is full of beauty, whether one wishes to view it from a subjective or objective perspective. A walk in the forest and the viewing of natures' creations is sublime and can be simply mesmeric if one takes it all in. However, it does a diservice to nature itself to place the reason for it all on divine involvement. I'm not a scientist, and I don't view the world from a scientific point of view. I'm a philosopher, and I view it from a philosophic point of view. That means I deal more with the aesthetic aspect of beauty, rather then the more component-oriented dealing that comes from science and religion. A spiritual man views the things you mentioned as being evidence of God's glory, beauty, and best of all, existence. A scientist views these things as they are: objects created from smaller base components come together to form a single thing as accustomed to their nature. I view these things as beautiful, though I acknowledge that they are indeed how the scientist describes them. But, I am able to look beyond that and take everything into an aesthetic sense. The idea of a perfect, immaculate being is a mockery of the splendor of nature and the results its produce. It's not an accident. At it's core, it's chance. But, this chance comes together to produce something wonderfull. It's the same with all matter.

What do you mean by other accidents?

Oh yes. It's just horrible to think of the atrocity that science has done to the earth. All the natural habitats it has been able to re-create to protect endangered animal species. The creation of substitute nutrients and other such things to help ensure the survival of animals. The innumerable institutions based to help the forests and other natural things that use modern technology to do so. The use of artificial areas to stop the eradication of plant life due to external forces which would seek to harm it. I can go on forever, but I believe you get my point.
There was a time in which part of the world placed all its trust on religion and antagonized science. This time was called the Dark Ages.
Further, what basis in reason does your point have in the first place? You're against technology and the leisures it provides? You're using a computer as you're reading this, are you not? The same work that went into it incorporates itself with numerous other scientific disiplines. Unless you wish to explain yourself a bit more, I fail to see your point.

First of all, I know the Holy Book exists. I've seen it and read it.
Second, in case you can't tell, my reply to her was a joke. Somehow, I highly doubt that there is a passage in the bible where Jesus says that.

Does it now? Jesus taught that "Nobody comes to the Father but through me." To rely on God to solve all the problems in your life. To base everything of half-assumptions and spiritual pipe-dreams, in the reassurance that God is there. To let the dead bury the dead. To consume his flesh and blood as an act of communion and worship. To deny your natural urges, all the things that get you gratification, in place of the spiritual and non-material. Jesus did say many great things, and I agree with many of them, but I disagree with so much more. Read the New Testament apart from the first four gospels. Read the hyprocrisy of Jesus's teachings, the sheer nihlism of spending your life looking torwards the sky in wait for the End Times. Read the countless acts that Jesus taught to enact. It's not a religion or idealogy that teaches to care or share. It teaches to place all your trust on the spiritual in the hopes that it will solve all the problems. To supress rational enquiry. To oppress those that do not believe in it's teachings. Somehow, I doubt that those who perished due to torture and genocide during the crusades and inquisitions saw much "care". It teaches misogynic ideas that "Man in the head of woman, and Jesus is the head of Man" to quote roughly. The idea that those unfaithfull will burn for eternity. The idea that a lifetime of transgression is cause for an eternity of suffering is a foolish idea. The thought that God gave man free will, and the choice to not go to hell, is even more foolish. Take an example: A man put a gun to his victim's head. He tell them that they can either obey him, or he can pull the trigger. He says that they have a choice, and calls it "free will". It's the same with hell. Either his children obey him for a meager human life-time, or they spend the end of time, an infinite amount of life-times, suffering and in pain. To quote Richard Dawkins, a rather insightful athiest: ""If God wanted to forgive our sins, why not just forgive them? Who is God trying to impress?" The idea of Jesus' sacrafice as essential to atonement is nothing short of nihilism.
As for Islam, I've already given plenty of arguements against it on another thread in this section of the forum. It shouldn't be too difficult to find if you wish to look for it.
Buddhism is the only religion out of the three that does indeed teach to care and to share. I respect many buddhist teachings, just as I do many of Jesus'. But just as with Christianity, I disagree with it even more. It seeks an elimination of suffering through looking inward, rather then outward. With this, it places it parralel to Christianity, who taught to look outward to God. Buddhism, through elimination of suffering, teaches that material gain should be avoided in place of the spiritual. Thus, I have my reason to disagree with it. Reliance on it, or any of the other religions you mentioned, are harmful.

Prove it. Remember that this is an argument (of sorts). If you have a point, then you must have something to back it up so that the other person can respond adaquetly. And "the bible" isn't proof. Give me an example, that you can verify to a reasonable extent, that your idea is correct.

Lol. And that helps confirm that the divine was the cause of it? Miracles happen everyday. Falling through a glass door is a poor example.
As well, it's nice to know that God would take the time to help a person from getting a few cuts. Especially when he could be helping the innumerable starving children in third world countries. What a show of "divine intervention".

What are you talking about. Sorry, but until you revise that a bit, I'm not certain what you're saying.

No, it doesn't. One need only view the lovely stories of rape, murder, and hate present in the bible to refute that.
Also, spare me your notions on the way the world works. I would like to know how you came up with that assumption. Other then just assuming that life couldn't be any worse.

It's no problem, but I didn't notice any until I read that sentence.

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crazyirish

i believe in a god but i didnt always everyone has their on opinions on things maybe it was all an accident maybe it wasnt.... no one really knows unless u believe on what someone else is telling ya like a type of religion its all based on how much u trust the religion. sure i think their is a god...now...

prieraceae

you are all tools

RNarcisism

Perhaps. Though, with religion discussion, it's a tad hard not to be.

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Hanna

gosh, thanks a bunch! *rolls eyes* ( know where you live....well not exactly...but I could find out...be afraid!)

Nice point...says I. *nods*

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Thanks.

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