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Polish89 · 10th August 2006, 08:48 PM

I have been religious before time and time again always changing my mind. I am still uncertain of what to think. I get scared because their is "GOD"S WRATH" that he will put upon you. Sometimes i think that it is a bunch of BS and somtimes i don't. It depends what mood i am in. How much do people really believe in god? To me it seems that more and more people are turning away from god.

recca · 11th August 2006, 01:42 PM

Listen, u mustn't worry about facing "Gods Wrath" about everything that u do or think.He isn't all that bad

.He gave us the power to control our own thoughts, so we do have the liberty to think what we want( though it's always better to think good).
As for people moving away from god, as long they take his name they belive in him(even if they don't go to church every sunday)

Punk_Scene · 26th March 2007, 12:12 AM

From my own experience, I have thought about that to, I've never thought about leaving God due to what he's done for me and my life's bounty.

You shouldn't think to be afraid of "God's Wrath" because if you believe in God you would know that he wouldn't do anything to hurt you from time to time.

blackwolf256 · 28th March 2007, 01:11 AM

Wow....not seen a good religious post in a while!

Yeah, God's Wrath is one of those tales told by strict religious people to keep order, usually in the family. However, as Recca said, God has given us free will, so we live our lives as we like, so technically God's Wrath could be all the suffering we (as a world) inflict on eachother. However, i know from experience that God is there and he does look after us if we ask for it!

As for people turning away, i'm not completely sure on why people do this. Maybe is because of all the suffering in the world, or they feel he hasn't done anything for them so they shouldn't follow him! I would be interested in found out why if this applys to anyone!

Punk_Scene · 30th March 2007, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by blackwolf256

However, I know from experience that God is there and he does look after us if we ask for it!

From experience? Go on...

Jellybean · 30th March 2007, 11:24 PM

You speak of it as a "he", what makes you think there is a higher being out there? you speak of god as if "he" is one of us...

I do not believe in god, nor will i ever.

Genevieve3 · 1st April 2007, 07:36 AM

Hello: long time no post

I don’t assume god is good or bad. I question what "he" would gain from punishing individual people or mass populations for simple errors or mass deception. When we do something bad we know it, perhaps not right away and maybe not consciously but we are awake to it.

I believe in god, I wasn’t raised to be very religious, my mother believed in god and my father doesn’t. I have always believed in god (not the typical christen god as I am a witch) it’s not a subject of choice for me.

I didn’t make the decision to believe or not believe. I know god exist and through all my trials and tribulation I have never held god liable. Its individual truth- god is god: beautiful and inconceivable in “his” complexity.

Post script: All I know is the overwhelming feeling I have that has never waned

Jennifer

prieraceae · 1st April 2007, 02:58 PM

I've got to say If I was to believe in a god, It deffinately wouldn't be the jewish/christian god, he's just plain boring. I'd go with the hindu concept of brahman, this concept of god is heaps cooler than the jewish/christian god.

cein3 · 25th April 2007, 02:59 AM

I think that the whole god's wrath thing is a bit of hulabuloo. I don't see why god would punish us just because we didn't accept him. I mean as long as we are good people it really shouldn't matter. We have the ability to think for ourselves and question authority. If we couldn't do this then we'd probably still think that the world is flat. So I think that god will understand.

RNarcisism · 25th April 2007, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by cein3

I think that the whole god's wrath thing is a bit of hulabuloo. I don't see why god would punish us just because we didn't accept him. I mean as long as we are good people it really shouldn't matter. We have the ability to think for ourselves and question authority. If we couldn't do this then we'd probably still think that the world is flat. So I think that god will understand.

Oh, if only it was that simple.

And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee. - Exodus 15:26

God will not send plauges upon us as long as we follow and worship him with a pertinacious mindset, then he will protect us. Otherwise, God will hate us and give us the same treatment he have Egypt.

Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me. - Exodus 20: 3-5

If we worship anybody other then the God of the Bible, then God isn't just going to be mad, but he'll also throw a temper-tantrum and become jealous.

He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed. - Exodus 22:20

God won't just throw a temper-tantrum if we don't worship him. He will kill all the people who don't believe in him.

Thou shalt not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do after their works: but thou shalt utterly overthrow them, and quite break down their images. - Exodus 23:24

Even if you believe in God, you must never allow anybody to ever worship another God. With that in mind, any Christian is fully justified in killing anybody else of another religion.

Pretty much everything in Leviticus. I don't really feel that I need to go through individual passages. If it's not talking about animal sacrafices, then it's talking about things that God will kill us for. Homosexuality and practicing sorcery, for example.

And, if you wish to believe in the New Covenant, then here are some passages from the New Testament:

But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. - Matthew 10:33

If you disacknowledge Jesus, then Jesus will tell God to hate you.

He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. - Matthew 12:30

Self explanatory. If you do not follow Jesus, then you are against Jesus. And everybody know what happens to people that don't follow Jesus:

But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. - Matthew 8:12

A very well known statement. If you don't believe in Jesus, then you go to the lake of everlasting fire and torment. But, this phrase also says that all Jews will go as well.

But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation. - Mark 3:29

If we deny the trinity, then not only are we going to the lake of everlasting fire, but we will not be forgiven. The moment you deny God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost, no amount of praying will save you.

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. - Mark 16:16

Only people that are baptized will go to heaven.

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. - John 3:18

Pretty much summarized it up. Depending on what we believe, it determines what God thinks of us.

And to end it:

If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin. - Johm 15:22

Since Jesus has come, we have no excuse for not believing in him.

That's just some passages from Exodus and the main books of the New Testament. There are many religions which say that we may believe whatever and the god of that religion will not punish us for it. The Abrahamic God is not one of these Gods. Not in Christianity. Not in Islam. Not in Judaism.

Hanna · 25th April 2007, 11:39 PM

eep! Well that sure put a damper on tings!

RNarcisism · 26th April 2007, 12:04 AM

A damper? How is that?

Hanna · 26th April 2007, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by cein3

I think that the whole god's wrath thing is a bit of hulabuloo. I don't see why god would punish us just because we didn't accept him. I mean as long as we are good people it really shouldn't matter. We have the ability to think for ourselves and question authority. If we couldn't do this then we'd probably still think that the world is flat. So I think that god will understand.

Well cein here was all happily not worrying about the wrath of got and not "accepting him"...but you sure showed her!
lol, I just mean, she didn't see why got would punish us just because we don't accept him...and you gave her reasons...many reasons....
So IF you believe that stuff, all the hatred and the wrathiness of God becomes a little bit frightening...

RNarcisism · 26th April 2007, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Hanna

Well cein here was all happily not worrying about the wrath of got and not "accepting him"...but you sure showed her!
lol, I just mean, she didn't see why got would punish us just because we don't accept him...and you gave her reasons...many reasons....
So IF you believe that stuff, all the hatred and the wrathiness of God becomes a little bit frightening...

Ah. I see.

All three abrahamic religions were created to help explain the natural (as well as unnatural) phenomenons which occured in the world. As well, all three religions were used as a means to gain control over people. And there's no better way to get people to do what you want then to incite fear amongst them. When you have the ominous threat of God's wrath or eternal fire lingering over your heads, you will be able to be persuaded to do things quite easily.

Hanna · 28th April 2007, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by RNarcisism

As well, all three religions were used as a means to gain control over people. And there's no better way to get people to do what you want then to incite fear amongst them. When you have the ominous threat of God's wrath or eternal fire lingering over your heads, you will be able to be persuaded to do things quite easily.

GAH! yes, so true.......*shakes fist*

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