*tallie*

What is your view on it??

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daisymia12

it's ok, i guess, not 2 sure about doing that, though. what are u doing??

RNarcisism

I'm pro-abortion. More then likely, it is a reaction to my disdain of the affiliates of pro-lifes above pro-choices. The responsibilty of the choice itself should be left with the parents or guardians, at their discretion.

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*tallie*

Im all for choice. If the facility is there to be used and is safe, the 'to be parents' dont want the child, or its a risk why stop them. However if the adults decide to do the responsible thing and look after it, good for them..but they shouldnt do that if they arent going to want it really. There are enough neglected kids without adding to that group.

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lost_girl1

I'm deffinatly against abortion ! SO are all my friends
One of my friends got raped and is now 6 months pregnant, she was thinkin about abortion but decided agsint it and now is expecting a baby boy!
If she can make the right desicion anyone can.

RNarcisism

And why is that the "right decision"?

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lost_girl1

Because its not taking away a babies life. If she had an abortion, its just murder. The baby has a right to come into this world, however it was concieved, why should someone have the right to take away this life from our world ?

daisymia12

Ya, i'm againist ABORTION 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i don't think i would do that anyway, but i'm still not so sure about it either.

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RNarcisism

1. During the embryonic and fetal stage, the lifeform which will become the baby does not yet have the nervous system to feel pain, much less the nociceptor by which to inform the brain that it is feeling pain. If I remember enough from when I use to study such brain activity, the thalamus sector of the brain is not yet developed enough to transmit the sensation pain the the body. Ending the biological functions of the fetus at this stage not only would be painless, but the brain does not have the power to yet transmit sensations of awareness. Thus, the fetus does not have sapience. It isn't ending a life. It's ending a biological function before it has the chance to become a life.

2. It's not murder, for the exact reasons I stated above. The fetus does not yet have sapience and awareness.

3. What moral realistic doctrine can you show me that prooves it has the right to come into this world? What moral relativism theory could it possibly counter?

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lost_girl1

So you are saying you would feel fine if you had an abortion.
If you stopped a baby being born and living a life it deserves. No-one should have the right to take away its chance of life.
And i don't understand a word you just said in the message either.
It is better to bring an innocent life into this world and give it up for adoption if you don not want it, rather than killing it.

Peaceout

Please lost_girl1, try to be more understanding and sympathetic to other views on this topic. That goes for all users of this forum. thank you

Now as for my view I prefer to believe that prevention is better then cure! I will always believe that safe sex is the most safe and reliable way or preventing unwanted pregnancy between couples. That said, it is not always 100%, and there can be mistakes.
There is also the case of sexual abuse and assult (ie Rape) where there is no way for the woman to have control over what happens.

In these cases I believe that there should always be the option of termination for the woman. There is more to being pregnant then just giving birth after 9 months. There is the emotional issuess, the physical issues... It's not black and white!
If a woman or girl is not emotionally ready to have a child, and has become pregnant by mistake then I think that Abortion is an option that must be open to that woman. It's all well and good to say that they can put the chid up for adoption after it is born, and a lot of woman do do that, but in some cases with some women it's too much to go through with the pregnancy itself.

So say let there be a choice for women. If they do not believe in it then they will not get it done, but that should not be a forced option on all women.

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RNarcisism

The position of abortion would be collaboration between me and the mother. If we were unable to support child, give it a good life, or if either one of us were simply not able to handle the pressure which would arise from having the baby, then abortion could indeed be a possibility.

I've yet to see a moral doctrine, a reliable one, that could support the fact that absolutely nobody should govern the future of the unborn child.

As I said in the first paragraph, you're not killing it. You're ending its main biological functions before it has the chance to become a life. A fetus doesn't have sapience, which means it's not aware.
Also, is it really better to bring a child into a life of irreversable hardship? It's worse to give the child the experience and burden, even destitution, in place of a normal life. One with parents to love them and a house to guard them.
On a smaller note, it's not as if doing what you would prefer would help economically. The financial strain which would arise from the tax dollars of so many orphans, if all were indeed given up for adoption instead of abortion, would be vast. As well, one need only take a look at under-developed country to see the consequence of poor parental discretion.

Of course.

For the sake of debate purpose:

Why only the women? Do you not believe that there should be collaboration with the father as well? Or, in the event of rape, collaboration with whoever else is available?
What if the woman is mentally unbalanced? If so, she would not have a clear judgement. She could very much go against the best wishes of the child and cause more harm.

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lost_girl1

Sorry if i was argumentative before in my earlier posts but this is just a very serious subject. My friend who got raped and is now pregnant is also bulimic so i do no what you mean about being not mentally ready to bring up a baby.If people are given the right help and support they should be fine. She chose to keep the baby and give it life. In my oppinion i think abortion is completely wrong but i do understand what you are saying, in some situations it is better not to bring the baby into this world at all.
I think that all babies should have the right to live. Why should we dispose of a fetus becasue it may have a hard life. It also may not have a hard life and it could be adopted by loving parents who are willing to sacrifice anythin for a child.
At the end of the day its the mothers choce of what she wants to do. So unless we are in thats situation we should judge them.

*tallie*

What if the hard life is serious illnesses? Ie major heart/brain etc problems. This would be a hard life on the child, the parents and any others who have responsibility on the child. Even if the parents decide to have the baby, wouldnt it be kind of selfish on others. What i mean is, when the parents arent around, some one (siblings most likely) are going to have to shoulder the responsibility. Would that be fair on them?

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lost_girl1

Yeah thats not what i meant. If they were going to suffer physical pain, and lots of it, it would be a lot less self-ish to abort the baby.